Reid, Jannie & I were watching the game last night within 5 minutes I generated a differential diagnosis essentially identical to yours.
1. Commotio cordis,, though unlikely
2. A C1/C2 cord transection. within 30 minutes hearing he'd been "Shocked" became unlikely
3. Spontaneous V-Tach/V-Fib made dramatically more likely by vaccine injury to the myocardial
conduction system.
My prediction is the 3rd. It's 99+% he's been Vax'd. No one dares be the 1st to indict the "JAB". The public announcement will be: Rare/Freak Accident. Only among Covid Dissenters will Vaccine Injury be spoken about.
Not sure this is a reasonable question, but please try to answer. When I have read of commotio cordis in the past, it occurred in middle school baseball games, which I now read is sort of the paradigm, if there is one. In those events (all two of them that struck sort of close to home), a player was hit in the chest by a baseball that had been struck by a bat; the hit interrupted the heartbeat at a critical instant, the player continued standing for x amount of time, then the player collapsed.
In the Hamlin case, the player was hit by a chin in the chest during a tackle initiation, so somewhat off the ground, at an angle to the ground. Both players continue toward the ground, Hamlin continues, presumably consciously and intentionally, wrapping up the other player, and they both land on the ground, completing the tackle. Hamlin then stands up, apparently unaided. Some time elapses and he collapses. So, between the hit and the collapse, there are several actions and seconds. Doesn’t that sound like a long time of being conscious before collapsing if cc were the cause of the collapse, as compared to, say,the case of the already upright thirteen year-old, who then collapsed seconds after the ball hit? Or does the difference in the amount of time still fall reasonably within the possible cc diagnosis?
The amount of time when he was conscious doesn't rule out CC but I still don't think that was the cause here. Briefly, It wasn't a square hit, it was a grazing hit- very mild as NFL tackles go. This was most likely NOT caused by commotio cordis. The blow was not concentrated as is almost always the case in CC where getting hit by a fast-moving baseball, lacrosse ball , hockey puck or softball is almost always the cause, and yes, the typical case would be in a jr high school player- it happens in boys this age. (this is why we almost never see this in football- I've never heard of one in 50 years of millions of tackles. That fairly mild grazing blow didn't cause his death without a serious underlying problem like an aortic aneurysm or cardiomyopathy or some other cardiac injury/malformation. F/A = P and it's the pressure that counts, It the force is distributed over a small area like that of a 100mph baseball to the chest, you can get CC but not from a big, flat shoulder pad and a glancing blow.
My best guess as to what the cause was : 1.aortic aneurysm rupture when he got a huge adrenalin rush from making the tackle, 2. ventricular fibrillation (sudden death syndrome) caused by an underlying cardiomyopathy (cardiomegaly, myocarditis, etc)- there are lots of them., 3. myocardial infarction. I hope they store the players' blood draws so they can run tests for D-dimer (clotting) and CK-MB heart enzymes (cardiac muscle damage) before the event.
steve kirsch states that McCullough changed his mind after talking with other experts about an hour later. does not think it is commotio cordis. the media, if listening probably wouldn't mention that. commotio cordis deflects attention from the shot.
thank you for your take on this. i do not comprehend why you are not a go-to voice. your first principles approach seems unique, and uniquely valuable. dave wilkinson
I was in tears last night watching this tragic situation unfold, and I was also, like so many, praying. While it may indeed be related to the injections, do we really think if it is, that there will be a definitive statement that the jab caused his heart attack when there are other possibilities that cardiologists will proffer as the cause? Unfortunately, the NFL, too many universities, colleges, big companies and small, hospitals, and the US military forced so many to take these injections that expecting them all to come out and admit they were wrong is the stuff of fantasy. The liability is too huge, the guilt and fear incomprehensible, and many of the heads of these institutions bought into the narrative and are injected themselves. Plus, I've thought all along that if a symptom of covid is brain fog, and the spike causes covid, and the injections cause the body to make unlimited spikes, the injected* are truly brain-damaged, and will never have the ability to connect any dots at all. (*With the exception of those who got saline, which I believe, hope and pray that many did.)
But, the reality is that there are, even though extremely rare, other heart conditions that can afflict a healthy young person.
2 weeks ago today, a dear friend’s healthy (unjabbed) 13yo had a cardiac event at an ice rink. A nurse friend was with her and started CPR right away. A second nurse joined her. There was a retired EMT driving the Zamboni, who came to her aid. The ice rink had an AED, which saved her life. She was airlifted to Hopkins, and intubated in the ICU, it took 3 days for her brain to start to recover, but she came home on Day 9, wearing a cardiac life vest, diagnosed with ARVD (but on the left side), a congenital heart condition. Her 5 siblings will all now be tested for this same condition, which she survived only because of the AED. (This child and her younger sister play soccer, and we praise God this didn't happen on a soccer field in our county, where there would not have been an AED.)
Lucia was with friends when she collapsed and the kids and their moms all began praying the rosary immediately. Powerful prayer warriors were lifting Lucia up from the beginning, including many priests and religious, and we do believe God granted her a miracle, as she was "down for a long time” and the health professionals on scene were fearful there would not be a good outcome.
Last night, millions started praying right away for Damar — and we all need to keep doing so, praying with bold confidence for the anticipated recovery of this young man. Pray also for his mom, family, and all medical personnel involved in his care. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Dr. Been has been analyzing information and breaking down studies for almost 3 years almost daily‼️ He has been a comforting and reassuring voice throughout the pandemic. His attraction comes from his sincere desire to inform his viewers about the pandemic, the vaccines, and the virus. He has other platforms which have expanded his reach, such as Twitter, discord, Patron, and substack. He hosts Zoom meetings thru Patreon and responds to his viewers’ questions there and on YouTube. He was positive about the vaccines, but never pushed them. He took 2 Moderna vaccines, However, as information emerged, he talked about their risks as well. I think he thinks both the vaccines and the virus have risks, but that the vaccines have been successful at protecting against severe disease and death, esp. during the earlier variants. Because he is a doctor and medical educator, he has extensive knowledge about the human body and is exceptional at teaching using drawings he creates on the fly. He is also affiliated with the FLCCC in that he has helped develop long COVID and vaccine side effects protocols.
Yes, he has a very nice way about him. And as I said in the last comment, he is knowledgeable. He, like many doctors thought the vaccines were helpful enough to take-as you say, he took them himself- and safe too, I guess. The truth was that since no one knew about the long term side effects, he should have known that no one should have taken them. Also, there was no actual protection against severe disease and death. Three years .. He's doing really well. Probably because of his clear interest in the viewers and his smooth delivery. I think he will continue to get more viewers because of his marketing and exposure and his knowledge, his nice delivery and pleasant tone.
I just watched it, Lisa. Regarding the myocarditis part: It is a paper trying to determine why myocarditis occurs in young males vs older adults. The rest of it is old news if you know the pathophysiology of covid endothelialitis. In other words, nothing new here. Regarding the commotio cordis part: There's nothing new here either. We already knew CC occurred in grammar school and jr high age.. In the rest of it, he's describing what I wrote about but he is not showing WHY the smaller balls cause it. That was the F = P x A logic that I shared with everyone. He did make one mistake in saying, "To make a diagnosis of CC by itself is overly simplistic. You have to include other cardiac damage". No, he's wrong here. CC did not happen! I explained it here somewhere. Not even close. No mechanism for it with a glancing blow with a shoulder pad moving 15 mph. He has a lot of subscribers and viewers and is pretty knowledgeable. It's the # of followers he gets that is a mystery to me. How do they do it?
Good common sense observations doctor, thank you. Someone else today pointed out that hard hits and tackles are quite common in football, but this type of injury is extremely uncommon - to the degree that it's never happened before? Those of us who've been vaccine skeptics were ready to pounce on this because it seems like vaccine injury is the obvious answer. This does not mean that we have no compassion for this young man, quite the contrary - it means that we want this craziness to stop! Young people falling dead is not acceptable.
While I respect both Drs. Malone and McCullough, they appear to be erring on the side of caution. But what I read here is a more straightforward professional opinion, I really appreciate that.
BTW, please correct your spelling of the word 'helmet'...helmut is incorrect. I know, it's obnoxious to point out spelling errors, but I can't help it.
Thank you and sorry about the spelling errors and typos. If I had more paid subscribers, I could get some help with proofreading. I just don't have time to do more than one quick proofreading. Please bear with me (or is it "bare")- no it's "bear" I think.
Yes. My habit is to think things through a little. It's amazing that almost all cardiologists got this wrong including Dr. Peter McCollough. . Did Dr. Malone get it wrong too? It wouldn't surprise me (although Malone is a researcher, not a cardiologist, so I guess he has an excuse for thinking it was CC). They both got lots of the covid and vaccine mess wrong. We all make mistakes. I've been wrong on things before but not about the SARS-2/covid/vaccine disaster. I can't believe it myself when I look back at my essays and videos.
We all feel horrible for this man and his family. No one should have gotten this vaccine as I've said many times. Mandating it for athletic teams was criminal. I hope the people who did this pay the price. That's why I wrote "Heroes and Villains..." #No Amnesty
Dr McCullough is being cautious, offering a plausible explanation where he has no direct evidence. You're being more speculative, but your speculation is also plausible. I suspect the next 48 hours or so will provide more information. The vaccine clearly didn't help him in any way.
I'm reasoning it out. That's not what I would call being speculative. I have the advantage over Dr. McCollough in that I reason from first principles using physics. Dr. McCollough has the advantage over me that he is a cardiologist. He should be right on this based on his training and what he sees every day. I've never seen this and I'm sure I never will. The explanation forwarded by Dr McCollough just doesn't make sense. Otherwise, like I said, we would have seen it many times and football would no longer be played.
No, I haven't seen that. I hate it when people ask for links but do you happen to have one handy?
What the CC'ers are saying makes no sense so I'm glad he came around. I take it you mean an hour after his original stance and not an hour after I explained this on several substacks.
It sounded more like he pointed out that if someone had myocarditis before cc, that could worsen the cc outcome or contribute to its occurrence. He was un the middle of a deposition when Kirsch called initially, probably suboptimal moment for nuanced commentary about another topic.
That could be true. Let's see how the story develops. Also, you're not responding to a statement by Dr McCullough, but to someone else's summary of a conversation. I'd be interested in hearing how Dr M frames the issue in his own words.
Reid, Jannie & I were watching the game last night within 5 minutes I generated a differential diagnosis essentially identical to yours.
1. Commotio cordis,, though unlikely
2. A C1/C2 cord transection. within 30 minutes hearing he'd been "Shocked" became unlikely
3. Spontaneous V-Tach/V-Fib made dramatically more likely by vaccine injury to the myocardial
conduction system.
My prediction is the 3rd. It's 99+% he's been Vax'd. No one dares be the 1st to indict the "JAB". The public announcement will be: Rare/Freak Accident. Only among Covid Dissenters will Vaccine Injury be spoken about.
I think we're probably right.
Not sure this is a reasonable question, but please try to answer. When I have read of commotio cordis in the past, it occurred in middle school baseball games, which I now read is sort of the paradigm, if there is one. In those events (all two of them that struck sort of close to home), a player was hit in the chest by a baseball that had been struck by a bat; the hit interrupted the heartbeat at a critical instant, the player continued standing for x amount of time, then the player collapsed.
In the Hamlin case, the player was hit by a chin in the chest during a tackle initiation, so somewhat off the ground, at an angle to the ground. Both players continue toward the ground, Hamlin continues, presumably consciously and intentionally, wrapping up the other player, and they both land on the ground, completing the tackle. Hamlin then stands up, apparently unaided. Some time elapses and he collapses. So, between the hit and the collapse, there are several actions and seconds. Doesn’t that sound like a long time of being conscious before collapsing if cc were the cause of the collapse, as compared to, say,the case of the already upright thirteen year-old, who then collapsed seconds after the ball hit? Or does the difference in the amount of time still fall reasonably within the possible cc diagnosis?
The amount of time when he was conscious doesn't rule out CC but I still don't think that was the cause here. Briefly, It wasn't a square hit, it was a grazing hit- very mild as NFL tackles go. This was most likely NOT caused by commotio cordis. The blow was not concentrated as is almost always the case in CC where getting hit by a fast-moving baseball, lacrosse ball , hockey puck or softball is almost always the cause, and yes, the typical case would be in a jr high school player- it happens in boys this age. (this is why we almost never see this in football- I've never heard of one in 50 years of millions of tackles. That fairly mild grazing blow didn't cause his death without a serious underlying problem like an aortic aneurysm or cardiomyopathy or some other cardiac injury/malformation. F/A = P and it's the pressure that counts, It the force is distributed over a small area like that of a 100mph baseball to the chest, you can get CC but not from a big, flat shoulder pad and a glancing blow.
My best guess as to what the cause was : 1.aortic aneurysm rupture when he got a huge adrenalin rush from making the tackle, 2. ventricular fibrillation (sudden death syndrome) caused by an underlying cardiomyopathy (cardiomegaly, myocarditis, etc)- there are lots of them., 3. myocardial infarction. I hope they store the players' blood draws so they can run tests for D-dimer (clotting) and CK-MB heart enzymes (cardiac muscle damage) before the event.
Would a troponin test of pre event blood be of value?
Thank you for the great explanation.
Thank you.
One of Hamlin’s teammates was quoted as saying Hamlin did not look well immediately before the game. I cannot recall where I read that.
If it waddles like a duck and it quacks, then it is probably...
...anything other the experimental gene shots.
Here in New Zealand we play Rugby. Or Rugby league which is similar but has even larger men hitting each other even harder. No pads. No head gear.
Here is 8 minutes of big Rugby hits.
https://youtu.be/JatpVqDGIu4
I wonder how many of these men suffered from commotio cordis?
very good example, Conway.
Berenson cites a paper showing that "myocarditis may increase the risk of life-threatening arrhythmia related to chest blunt trauma."
https://academic.oup.com/ehjcr/article/5/3/ytab054/6154461?login=false cited in https://open.substack.com/pub/alexberenson/p/update-on-the-damar-hamlin-piece?r=wwaub&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Thank you 🙏❤
Denver news link below. Reporter and former Broncos player saying the impact wasn't that hard.
https://youtu.be/w6Zd8qfntFA
steve kirsch states that McCullough changed his mind after talking with other experts about an hour later. does not think it is commotio cordis. the media, if listening probably wouldn't mention that. commotio cordis deflects attention from the shot.
thank you for your take on this. i do not comprehend why you are not a go-to voice. your first principles approach seems unique, and uniquely valuable. dave wilkinson
Thank you. I don't knopw why I have had so much trouble getting interviewed by the big platforms. I can't get past Rogan's screeners.
Because they don't want the truth.
I was in tears last night watching this tragic situation unfold, and I was also, like so many, praying. While it may indeed be related to the injections, do we really think if it is, that there will be a definitive statement that the jab caused his heart attack when there are other possibilities that cardiologists will proffer as the cause? Unfortunately, the NFL, too many universities, colleges, big companies and small, hospitals, and the US military forced so many to take these injections that expecting them all to come out and admit they were wrong is the stuff of fantasy. The liability is too huge, the guilt and fear incomprehensible, and many of the heads of these institutions bought into the narrative and are injected themselves. Plus, I've thought all along that if a symptom of covid is brain fog, and the spike causes covid, and the injections cause the body to make unlimited spikes, the injected* are truly brain-damaged, and will never have the ability to connect any dots at all. (*With the exception of those who got saline, which I believe, hope and pray that many did.)
But, the reality is that there are, even though extremely rare, other heart conditions that can afflict a healthy young person.
2 weeks ago today, a dear friend’s healthy (unjabbed) 13yo had a cardiac event at an ice rink. A nurse friend was with her and started CPR right away. A second nurse joined her. There was a retired EMT driving the Zamboni, who came to her aid. The ice rink had an AED, which saved her life. She was airlifted to Hopkins, and intubated in the ICU, it took 3 days for her brain to start to recover, but she came home on Day 9, wearing a cardiac life vest, diagnosed with ARVD (but on the left side), a congenital heart condition. Her 5 siblings will all now be tested for this same condition, which she survived only because of the AED. (This child and her younger sister play soccer, and we praise God this didn't happen on a soccer field in our county, where there would not have been an AED.)
Lucia was with friends when she collapsed and the kids and their moms all began praying the rosary immediately. Powerful prayer warriors were lifting Lucia up from the beginning, including many priests and religious, and we do believe God granted her a miracle, as she was "down for a long time” and the health professionals on scene were fearful there would not be a good outcome.
Last night, millions started praying right away for Damar — and we all need to keep doing so, praying with bold confidence for the anticipated recovery of this young man. Pray also for his mom, family, and all medical personnel involved in his care. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
What if it's a drug interaction between C jabs and, say, PEDs/steroids... or even something as innocuous as cortisone shots?
No way they tested every interaction when they rushed the things out...
Dr. Been has been analyzing information and breaking down studies for almost 3 years almost daily‼️ He has been a comforting and reassuring voice throughout the pandemic. His attraction comes from his sincere desire to inform his viewers about the pandemic, the vaccines, and the virus. He has other platforms which have expanded his reach, such as Twitter, discord, Patron, and substack. He hosts Zoom meetings thru Patreon and responds to his viewers’ questions there and on YouTube. He was positive about the vaccines, but never pushed them. He took 2 Moderna vaccines, However, as information emerged, he talked about their risks as well. I think he thinks both the vaccines and the virus have risks, but that the vaccines have been successful at protecting against severe disease and death, esp. during the earlier variants. Because he is a doctor and medical educator, he has extensive knowledge about the human body and is exceptional at teaching using drawings he creates on the fly. He is also affiliated with the FLCCC in that he has helped develop long COVID and vaccine side effects protocols.
Yes, he has a very nice way about him. And as I said in the last comment, he is knowledgeable. He, like many doctors thought the vaccines were helpful enough to take-as you say, he took them himself- and safe too, I guess. The truth was that since no one knew about the long term side effects, he should have known that no one should have taken them. Also, there was no actual protection against severe disease and death. Three years .. He's doing really well. Probably because of his clear interest in the viewers and his smooth delivery. I think he will continue to get more viewers because of his marketing and exposure and his knowledge, his nice delivery and pleasant tone.
Have you seen this❓ https://youtu.be/0gnbLcSGMXw
I just watched it, Lisa. Regarding the myocarditis part: It is a paper trying to determine why myocarditis occurs in young males vs older adults. The rest of it is old news if you know the pathophysiology of covid endothelialitis. In other words, nothing new here. Regarding the commotio cordis part: There's nothing new here either. We already knew CC occurred in grammar school and jr high age.. In the rest of it, he's describing what I wrote about but he is not showing WHY the smaller balls cause it. That was the F = P x A logic that I shared with everyone. He did make one mistake in saying, "To make a diagnosis of CC by itself is overly simplistic. You have to include other cardiac damage". No, he's wrong here. CC did not happen! I explained it here somewhere. Not even close. No mechanism for it with a glancing blow with a shoulder pad moving 15 mph. He has a lot of subscribers and viewers and is pretty knowledgeable. It's the # of followers he gets that is a mystery to me. How do they do it?
Good common sense observations doctor, thank you. Someone else today pointed out that hard hits and tackles are quite common in football, but this type of injury is extremely uncommon - to the degree that it's never happened before? Those of us who've been vaccine skeptics were ready to pounce on this because it seems like vaccine injury is the obvious answer. This does not mean that we have no compassion for this young man, quite the contrary - it means that we want this craziness to stop! Young people falling dead is not acceptable.
While I respect both Drs. Malone and McCullough, they appear to be erring on the side of caution. But what I read here is a more straightforward professional opinion, I really appreciate that.
BTW, please correct your spelling of the word 'helmet'...helmut is incorrect. I know, it's obnoxious to point out spelling errors, but I can't help it.
Thank you and sorry about the spelling errors and typos. If I had more paid subscribers, I could get some help with proofreading. I just don't have time to do more than one quick proofreading. Please bear with me (or is it "bare")- no it's "bear" I think.
Yes. My habit is to think things through a little. It's amazing that almost all cardiologists got this wrong including Dr. Peter McCollough. . Did Dr. Malone get it wrong too? It wouldn't surprise me (although Malone is a researcher, not a cardiologist, so I guess he has an excuse for thinking it was CC). They both got lots of the covid and vaccine mess wrong. We all make mistakes. I've been wrong on things before but not about the SARS-2/covid/vaccine disaster. I can't believe it myself when I look back at my essays and videos.
We all feel horrible for this man and his family. No one should have gotten this vaccine as I've said many times. Mandating it for athletic teams was criminal. I hope the people who did this pay the price. That's why I wrote "Heroes and Villains..." #No Amnesty
Thanks for the breakdown, Reid.
You're welcome, Roy. I could be wrong but the logic is correct. Most important now is that we all pray for his recovery. Very, very tragic.
Have you seen this website?
https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/
I agree 100%!!!. I have my reservations about Dr McCollough.
Dr McCullough is being cautious, offering a plausible explanation where he has no direct evidence. You're being more speculative, but your speculation is also plausible. I suspect the next 48 hours or so will provide more information. The vaccine clearly didn't help him in any way.
I'm reasoning it out. That's not what I would call being speculative. I have the advantage over Dr. McCollough in that I reason from first principles using physics. Dr. McCollough has the advantage over me that he is a cardiologist. He should be right on this based on his training and what he sees every day. I've never seen this and I'm sure I never will. The explanation forwarded by Dr McCollough just doesn't make sense. Otherwise, like I said, we would have seen it many times and football would no longer be played.
You probably already saw this, but Steve Kirsch's later substack mentioned that Dr McCullough withdrew his speculation about CC within about an hour.
No, I haven't seen that. I hate it when people ask for links but do you happen to have one handy?
What the CC'ers are saying makes no sense so I'm glad he came around. I take it you mean an hour after his original stance and not an hour after I explained this on several substacks.
It's in https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/the-most-likely-scenario-is-that
Under the heading "Unlikely possibilities,"
"Commotio cordis was Dr. McCullough’s initial thought, but then, after consultation with other experts, he ruled this out within the first hour."
He shouldn't have needed to consult with other doctors. I don't want to be too hard on Dr McCollough. He made a mistake, that's all.
It sounded more like he pointed out that if someone had myocarditis before cc, that could worsen the cc outcome or contribute to its occurrence. He was un the middle of a deposition when Kirsch called initially, probably suboptimal moment for nuanced commentary about another topic.
The point is, that wasn't a case of 20 times per year only in the US , mostly in young ballplayers commotio cordis for the reasons I have pointed out.
That could be true. Let's see how the story develops. Also, you're not responding to a statement by Dr McCullough, but to someone else's summary of a conversation. I'd be interested in hearing how Dr M frames the issue in his own words.
me too. It is quite possible that Steve misrepresented his position slightly.
I think Dr. McCollough is leaning toward agreeing with you.
yes, definitely he is now. see above