I read the article earlier today. I agree with your characterization of Dr. Setty. Even now, when it comes to 911, it takes guts to state the more or less obvious.
When I tell people about the unnatural way WTC1 and 2 came down, or when I mention the often forgotten fact that a third building, WTC7, came down the same day and in the same strange way, but WITHOUT a plane crashing in it, people almost always leap to this question, "Well if the terrorist on the planes did not bring down those buildings, who did?" My answer is always the same. How would I know? First, let's acknowledge the first issue--that those buildings could not have been brought down by fire as is claimed in the official narrative laid out by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Usually, that's when someone starts mumbling with shrugged shoulders about how there are all kinds of conspiracy theories out there, blah blah, and the subject gets changed.
I guess I was primed to be skeptical of covid by having my eyes open to the craziness of 911.
Good comment, Roy. Hey, to change the subject, I noticed you wrote a fairly long comment in Rav Arora's post about the media companies refusing to publish the piece because they were pro-vaccination. Did you see my comment? Was it too critical of him?
Thank you Dr. Sheftall for showcasing this topic and my article. I am sorry that I have only realized now that you restacked it. Please note my expansive response to Michael DAmbrosio who pinpoints very important questions.
I'm completely open to an alternate 9/11 hypothesis. Problems I have with the controlled demo theory as proposed by Madhava Setty (among many others):
1) The explosion analysis is post hoc HARKING. I wonder if we could recreate 20 building 7s, then blow up half controlled, half the result of catastrophic fire, then randomize and blind the videos to the experts on both sides, would they be able to correctly guess the cause with high accuracy?
2) I'm in near disbelief that there could be a group of people that coordinated, precise, and tactical - a group apparently on call at a moments notice to achieve something like this within 7 hours - possessing superhuman stealth, perfect coordination, and complete silence for 22 years. Am I too cynical?
3) To harp on point 2, have the proponents of 9/11 conspiracies detailed how such a plan could be executed? What is the minimum number of demolitions experts, drivers, architects, engineers, managers, sr managers, IT, recruiters, and misc personnel required? 10? 20? 50? This could help me better estimate risk. 10 people, I'd be more willing to consider this. When you get above 20, odds of failure point are crippling.
4) As with all conspiracies, has an analysis been done on the ROI and Risk vs Reward comparison? Executing this seems to have enormous risk for very little reward. All of the "rewards", whether it's going to a 20 year war in the middle east or simply collecting an insurance payment seem to have far easier paths to achieve similar goals. I have never heard a strong argument on why you would bother with all of this - seems like a James Bond Villain level of complexity for an outcome you could achieve with a fraction of effort, expense, and risk of exposure.
5) Summarizing above - how could our government be both incompetent, and, super-geniuses. Which is it?
For a more recent example, Covid hysteria seemed to me be the result of incompetence, not super geniuses. I suspect the same of 9/11, our incompetent bureaucracies blinded us to an attack by a small group of determined terrorists/"freedom fighters", and we panicked by letting neo-con hysteria drive us to a pointless war for two decades. I can't buy that there were secret geniuses in the Bush admin. His stupidity may blind me though, and I might be quite wrong.
Michael. All of your concerns are perfectly reasonable but the answer to #1 is easy. No, we couldn't build 20 building 7's and conduct your experiment. It would be too expensive and you probably couldn't get any of the building 7's to collapse due to fire. Have you ever seen it in your 50 years of watching the news? Check the temperatures necessary to melt those support beams and cross struts.
It's not my place to speak for Dr. Setty. I'll try to direct him to your comment.
Let me make a few comparisons and I'll drop out in favor of Dr. Setty. I haven't looked into this at all but he has and he is imminently qualified to do so. For the technical parts he is not trained to comment on, he has asked for help, for example, from architects.
My two cents:
May I use the Russian collusion Hoax or COVID-19 for comparison? How many people had to keep their mouths shut to keep the Russian hoax going for 3, 4, 5, 6 years? Obama knew about it. Susan Rice and Valerie Jarret. Biden knew about it and he's had severe senile dementia since at least 2020. Is it easier or harder to keep a secret when you have severe senile dementia? It's harder.
Who else knew? Brennan, Comey, the Steel dossier people, Ian Steele, himself, the lawyers involved, at least the principles at Fusion GPS. What about Hillary? She invented the story out of thin air! Huma Abideen, her secretary and Robbie Moax knew. Bill Clinton, probably. Clearly, Trump knew it was a fake story because it was about him and he didn't do it. John Durham, etc. I could go on. I've named instigators, people who knew who were ok with it and even watched Trump get impeached over it, all the time knowing Trump didn't collude with anyone, that Hillary made it up. Our President, Obama and VP, Biden fall into this group. They should be in prison for life for treason in disrupting a Presidential election like this.
Now Covid- the virus and the vaccine. We're not talking 10, 20, or 50 people here. We're talking thousands who knew about it; that it was created in a lab, that sequences patented years ago appeared in the genome, all the people who produced the fake videos from China, employees of the Wuhan labs, even Xi Jinping. You think maybe Ralph Baric , Peter Daszak, Anthony Fauci, Francis Collins, Jeremy Farrar, Bill Gates and 997 more I could easily name didn't know about it and keep the secret?
Even with people like me and Mike Yeadon, el gato malo, Ivor Cummins, John Lee, explaining it to everyone we still couldn't get one of the perpetrators to come clean. Even as I PROVED everything I said and never made a mistake, and doctors and people like Gates sat there and made themselves look like the stupidest people on Earth, they still wouldn't spill the beans (and even now won't admit to it). If you want to learn much, much more, please read my book: https://www.amazon.com/Heroes-Villains-COVID-19-Book-Lists/dp/B0BKHQ7CWN/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1687676707&sr=8-1
Thanks for the detailed feedback, and apologize for the delay reply. Was giving his some thought and got sidetracked. Did order you book though :)
Closing my thoughts on Tower 7, all I meant by my sarcastic request to replicate the explosions is that no matter how credentialed someone is on the physics of building demo, I feel the situation of what happens when a 737 hits a skyscraper is so unique, we can't completely defer to expertise. I hear them, I respect their opinions, but the claim still remains extraordinary, to me. I do consider it, just find less likely than fire being unpredictable and humans in large groups being generally incompetent/undirected.
Now, I'm going to take a partial pass on Russiagate as it's something I never was particularly interested in, suspected it was hysteria over nothing, and just occasionally checked Matt Taibbi's takes on it.
So let's move on to Covid19 as a conspiracy, and weigh my argument that it's merely hysteria and not a top down directed plan (as I think you are proposing? A coordinated effort planned by Xi, Collins, Gates?).
I see Covid 19 as a Portuguese Man O War - a Zooid - an entity composed of independent entities, which coalesced together into a larger and more complicated thing.
I think what happened was an inevitability of our hubris, just as witch hunts were inevitability when you combine the: printing press, social inequality, religious fervor, and the then novel concept of boredom.
In the case of Covid, the following things happened, independently, but combined into covid 19 hysteria:
- humanity started running out of low hanging fruit to increase mortality, so we started tackling much smaller, but far more complex problems
- scientific pursuits became tied to funding which became tied to perverse incentives which lead us into the replication crisis
- social media allowed stupid ideas which would previously have been smothered out* quickly to connect with other people who shared the same stupid ideas, which allowed them to spread their stupid ideas (it's like they made an "eye" in the game of Go, then increased their liberties to form a second eye)
- We happened to have a president so opposed by our dying media that they would sacrifice any shred of logic, reason, dignity for the meagerest of short term "victories" (there's a whole sub-set to this, I think Taibbi perfectly articulated in "Hate Inc")
That's the environment that this round of SARS was born into.
Had there been PCR test hysteria, Twitter, and an absence of 9/11 in 2003 when the "first" SARS "epidemic" hit, the same scenario could have already played out 20 years ago to George W Bush.
Now factor in:
1) Ralph Baric decides to study Coronaviruses in the 80's and because in science you can't spend 10 years on something and then say "hey that wasn't important after all", he becomes convinced that his niche interest is super important, so starts convincing Public Health to start funding that allows his ideas to spread - specifically that Coronaviruses could someday mutate into global killers (despite the fact they hadn't managed this feat so far in 300 million yeas of their existence)
2) SARS 03, H1N1, ZIKA, MERS prime the public and scientists to think we are special, that we live at some unique moment in history where dangerous new viruses are going to wipe us out any day now and we have to take action.
To a minority, it's obvious that they are merely repeating the mistake of the parable of when n Adam ate from the Tree of Knowledge and became scared of his nakedness, he just happened to finally have the knowledge to be aware of it.
There's no logical reason to believe that SARS 03 was the first time a coronaviruses mutated, infected some people, and burned out. That must be happening all the time. For us to find 500 pneumonia deaths special and not the other annual 3,999,500 is evidence of our arrogant desire to think we are special, that this time we live in, is somehow special.
3) Baric and his acolytes start Gain of Function, likely making Covid 19 in Wuhan labs, which accidentally escaped.
It's possible here that what they made still wasn't that remarkable (thankfully). I'm still uncertain if the resulting excess mortality across the globe was entirely due to the virus having unique capabilities to kill us, or, if we just caused the extra 5%-20% deaths ourselves in our response. I expect to debate that for decades.
4) CCP, not understanding just how dangerous (or not) the virus freaked out first, which cascaded across the globe. The doctored videos, their crazy initial lockdowns, hamfisted approach, was likely all because they were worried what was made was worse than it was. (They made, we made, same difference)
5) Fauci, also not in command of the data of what was going in Wuhan nor how to predict what it could do, also panicked, and that's why we have all the FOIA revealing his duplicity in what he thought vs what he said. Regardless, he acted out of self interest covering his ass, and wound up overreacting.
Intermission - I want to point out, in this "Confederacy of Dunces" I've laid out- none of this is coordinated. There is not planning. It's just idiot response after idiot response to idiotic ideas.
6) Now, the idiots that thought it was a good idea to PCR test the planet when we don't know base rate of mass testing the planet with a PCR test (i.e., had we done 7 billion pcr tests in 1995 might we have found a common coronavirus happened to pass through half the population over the course of a few years?) - these same idiots, are in the limelight. The spotlight is on them, the media has primed the population to look them for answers. We demanded a solution.
7) Hammer always sees a nail. The Ralph Barics that have been trying for 20 years to make a SARS vaccine propose... a SARS vaccine. Nevermind they openly are quoted for decades bemoaning they don't work, that they just make targets more prone to variants (actual quote from Baric) - they announce this time it will work.
8) They make a vaccine, that does exactly what all their failed tests had done for decades - made us temporarily immune to a virus that would simply mutate and infect us that much easier. The whole world watched this unfold.
9) Now, though, the hysteria fades. People have moved on. What's left is a few people like us still interested in understanding what happened, a few people who advocated this nonsense arguing at clouds they were right all along, and the majority of the population that has moved on.
I suspect it must have been similar after Witch Hysteria.
TL;DR - I don't see any high level planning of Covid 19. I see a bunch of self interested group ideas/actions that came together and fed off each other. An algamation of "useful idiots" in an Ouroboros.
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*I think of my mom, in 1985, convinced that people are putting razor blades into Halloween Candy, methodically inspecting each treat after our costumed haul was brought in - had she access to Twitter, how long might that stupid idea have festered?
1) It is first important to acknowledge that with regard to building 7, NIST created a finite element model that did not behave in the manner in which the building fell. They have proven their own hypothesis incorrect. Furthermore, an independent examination of the model and official WTC7 explanation was undertaken by the University of Alaska, Fairbanks. They duplicated the model and NIST's parameters and their model behaved exactly like NIST's--it didn't fall like what we saw. They took it one step further. The proved that the only way the model would behave like what we saw was if there was a near synchronous and total failure of the central columns followed by the peripheral columns 1-2 seconds later. There is no way a fire could do that. Any structural engineer who would say otherwise is being paid or influenced.
2) There is no question that bringing down these buildings would have required months of planning by demolition experts using highly energetic explosives, especially with the twin towers. Note that the twin towers were demolished from the top down, the weight of the building could not be used to facilitate their destruction as is done with typical building demolitions (like building 7). This was necessary in order to create the illusion that these were gravitational collapses. Reasonable estimates suggest that the energy required to dismember the half million tons of steel and pulverize the concrete in each twin tower was around 1.2 terajoules. This is more than twice the calculated potential energy residing in each standing tower (about 500 Giga joules). So we have an enormous missing source of energy. The official explanation violates another important law: conservation of energy.
A very reasonable question would be, "how could this have been accomplished over the period of months in buildings that were occupied by the public? How could so much explosives be brought into the building?"
The architects and engineers that argue for demolition have a simple answer: "On pallets".
The point here is that if the security of the WTC complex were in on it, it would be quite easy. It is well documented that the elevators of the twin towers underwent an enormous overhaul in the spring and summer of 2001. In order to bring down those towers the central columns must have given way, and, given way before the peripheral ones. The central columns housed the elevator shafts. Close examination of the collapse sequence reveals that indeed the central columns failed first signaled by the fall of the enormous antenna at the top of the North Tower. There is little reason to believe that the central columns would have failed first from a plane collision. The peripheral columns were made of reinforced steel, the plane is no more than a shell of aluminum. This doesn't mean that an aluminum plane cannot destroy steel columns. If the energy of the collision was high enough, the planes would have destroyed the peripheral columns. However, there is NO WAY that any part of the plane would have made it to the central columns, It would have been destroyed on impact too.
So, how could it have been done? Higher ups in the security company (run by Marvin Bush, btw) were part of the conspiracy. They merely gave passes to crack demolition teams who posed as elevator maintenance and told the security guards to honor them. Guards didn't ask questions as "equipment" was brought into the buildings each day over months.
3) I also think it is useful to reconsider what we mean by "the government". What we are talking about here are factions that operate outside of congressional oversight. We cannot be too naive and assume that the annual budget of the military goes only into building aircraft carriers and drones and expensive toilet seats. No doubt these so called black projects are extremely well funded and have been for decades.
4) I don't think the public would have been compelled to support wars in Iraq and Afghanistan without such an event. My opinion only. Such an event was hinted at exactly ten years before by Bush senior as a requirement to establish a "new world order".
5) In the end, however, the intent wasn't just to make trillions for the war mongers. I believe the real intent was to pass the Patriot act. In order to take down a free nation quietly the population must first REQUEST to be surveilled. We know this happened. Those powers were never rescinded for twenty years. People who tried to call this out like Snowden and Assange were, of course, more or less imprisoned.
The next step in establishing quiet control over a nation that believes it is free is to get the population to REQUEST censorship. I speculate that this is what is really behind the Plandemic. Even at this very moment our first amendment is being challenged by our own government in open congressional sessions. The MSM remains uninterested. This is a clear sign that they are in on it. This is why that not a single MSM journalist posed these very reasonable questions 21 years ago.
Taking the liberty to speculate further, I would suggest that the final blow to freedom would be to somehow disarm the populace. It is important to note that for all intents and purposes the kind of munitions held by private citizens are no match for our heavily armed government and their various police forces. Why would private gun ownership be a threat to them? I say it is not about the firepower. It is about the will of the people. A population that THINKS they are empowered are very, very dangerous to forces that are attempting a coup.
he has become a favorite of mine as well. read this one yesterday. the 'perceptual world' of humanity seems to be very much like the drawing that can look like a young woman or an old woman. with that drawing it is entirely possible for a person to switch perspectives without too much difficulty. things like covid and 9/11 seem too encompassing of world view for most people to switch back and forth. dave
I know the drawing and I agree, David. With Covid for sure. It's not possible to switch back and forth. When people are wrong, they're wrong on 15 major issues, minimum. You can't be against masks and school closures but for lockdowns and a 4% IFR. or any combination like that. That's why the people who changed midstream (which is most people) look horrible. Dr. Wen who was strongly in favor of lockdowns the whole time has started pulling back. Marty Makary thought masks blocked transmission and thought lockdowns helped end the disaster in the northeast, until he didn't. Then he got to testify in front of congress and be on Tucker 5 times. Very well-meaning docs- you know who they are- one of which blocked me on twitter- were wrong at the beginning on many things but changed for various reasons. wrong on the vaccines too, some of them. Boggles the mind.
It is very clear it was exploded....you can see the squibs you can see the explosions timed.
Good for you for having the guts to go against the comfortable classmates who still cling to
the worldview that gave them their riches.
I read the article earlier today. I agree with your characterization of Dr. Setty. Even now, when it comes to 911, it takes guts to state the more or less obvious.
When I tell people about the unnatural way WTC1 and 2 came down, or when I mention the often forgotten fact that a third building, WTC7, came down the same day and in the same strange way, but WITHOUT a plane crashing in it, people almost always leap to this question, "Well if the terrorist on the planes did not bring down those buildings, who did?" My answer is always the same. How would I know? First, let's acknowledge the first issue--that those buildings could not have been brought down by fire as is claimed in the official narrative laid out by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Usually, that's when someone starts mumbling with shrugged shoulders about how there are all kinds of conspiracy theories out there, blah blah, and the subject gets changed.
I guess I was primed to be skeptical of covid by having my eyes open to the craziness of 911.
Good comment, Roy. Hey, to change the subject, I noticed you wrote a fairly long comment in Rav Arora's post about the media companies refusing to publish the piece because they were pro-vaccination. Did you see my comment? Was it too critical of him?
No, I didn't see it. I'll search for it and maybe get back to you a little later.
Thank you Dr. Sheftall for showcasing this topic and my article. I am sorry that I have only realized now that you restacked it. Please note my expansive response to Michael DAmbrosio who pinpoints very important questions.
I'm completely open to an alternate 9/11 hypothesis. Problems I have with the controlled demo theory as proposed by Madhava Setty (among many others):
1) The explosion analysis is post hoc HARKING. I wonder if we could recreate 20 building 7s, then blow up half controlled, half the result of catastrophic fire, then randomize and blind the videos to the experts on both sides, would they be able to correctly guess the cause with high accuracy?
2) I'm in near disbelief that there could be a group of people that coordinated, precise, and tactical - a group apparently on call at a moments notice to achieve something like this within 7 hours - possessing superhuman stealth, perfect coordination, and complete silence for 22 years. Am I too cynical?
3) To harp on point 2, have the proponents of 9/11 conspiracies detailed how such a plan could be executed? What is the minimum number of demolitions experts, drivers, architects, engineers, managers, sr managers, IT, recruiters, and misc personnel required? 10? 20? 50? This could help me better estimate risk. 10 people, I'd be more willing to consider this. When you get above 20, odds of failure point are crippling.
4) As with all conspiracies, has an analysis been done on the ROI and Risk vs Reward comparison? Executing this seems to have enormous risk for very little reward. All of the "rewards", whether it's going to a 20 year war in the middle east or simply collecting an insurance payment seem to have far easier paths to achieve similar goals. I have never heard a strong argument on why you would bother with all of this - seems like a James Bond Villain level of complexity for an outcome you could achieve with a fraction of effort, expense, and risk of exposure.
5) Summarizing above - how could our government be both incompetent, and, super-geniuses. Which is it?
For a more recent example, Covid hysteria seemed to me be the result of incompetence, not super geniuses. I suspect the same of 9/11, our incompetent bureaucracies blinded us to an attack by a small group of determined terrorists/"freedom fighters", and we panicked by letting neo-con hysteria drive us to a pointless war for two decades. I can't buy that there were secret geniuses in the Bush admin. His stupidity may blind me though, and I might be quite wrong.
Michael. All of your concerns are perfectly reasonable but the answer to #1 is easy. No, we couldn't build 20 building 7's and conduct your experiment. It would be too expensive and you probably couldn't get any of the building 7's to collapse due to fire. Have you ever seen it in your 50 years of watching the news? Check the temperatures necessary to melt those support beams and cross struts.
It's not my place to speak for Dr. Setty. I'll try to direct him to your comment.
Let me make a few comparisons and I'll drop out in favor of Dr. Setty. I haven't looked into this at all but he has and he is imminently qualified to do so. For the technical parts he is not trained to comment on, he has asked for help, for example, from architects.
My two cents:
May I use the Russian collusion Hoax or COVID-19 for comparison? How many people had to keep their mouths shut to keep the Russian hoax going for 3, 4, 5, 6 years? Obama knew about it. Susan Rice and Valerie Jarret. Biden knew about it and he's had severe senile dementia since at least 2020. Is it easier or harder to keep a secret when you have severe senile dementia? It's harder.
Who else knew? Brennan, Comey, the Steel dossier people, Ian Steele, himself, the lawyers involved, at least the principles at Fusion GPS. What about Hillary? She invented the story out of thin air! Huma Abideen, her secretary and Robbie Moax knew. Bill Clinton, probably. Clearly, Trump knew it was a fake story because it was about him and he didn't do it. John Durham, etc. I could go on. I've named instigators, people who knew who were ok with it and even watched Trump get impeached over it, all the time knowing Trump didn't collude with anyone, that Hillary made it up. Our President, Obama and VP, Biden fall into this group. They should be in prison for life for treason in disrupting a Presidential election like this.
Now Covid- the virus and the vaccine. We're not talking 10, 20, or 50 people here. We're talking thousands who knew about it; that it was created in a lab, that sequences patented years ago appeared in the genome, all the people who produced the fake videos from China, employees of the Wuhan labs, even Xi Jinping. You think maybe Ralph Baric , Peter Daszak, Anthony Fauci, Francis Collins, Jeremy Farrar, Bill Gates and 997 more I could easily name didn't know about it and keep the secret?
Even with people like me and Mike Yeadon, el gato malo, Ivor Cummins, John Lee, explaining it to everyone we still couldn't get one of the perpetrators to come clean. Even as I PROVED everything I said and never made a mistake, and doctors and people like Gates sat there and made themselves look like the stupidest people on Earth, they still wouldn't spill the beans (and even now won't admit to it). If you want to learn much, much more, please read my book: https://www.amazon.com/Heroes-Villains-COVID-19-Book-Lists/dp/B0BKHQ7CWN/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1687676707&sr=8-1
Thanks for the detailed feedback, and apologize for the delay reply. Was giving his some thought and got sidetracked. Did order you book though :)
Closing my thoughts on Tower 7, all I meant by my sarcastic request to replicate the explosions is that no matter how credentialed someone is on the physics of building demo, I feel the situation of what happens when a 737 hits a skyscraper is so unique, we can't completely defer to expertise. I hear them, I respect their opinions, but the claim still remains extraordinary, to me. I do consider it, just find less likely than fire being unpredictable and humans in large groups being generally incompetent/undirected.
Now, I'm going to take a partial pass on Russiagate as it's something I never was particularly interested in, suspected it was hysteria over nothing, and just occasionally checked Matt Taibbi's takes on it.
So let's move on to Covid19 as a conspiracy, and weigh my argument that it's merely hysteria and not a top down directed plan (as I think you are proposing? A coordinated effort planned by Xi, Collins, Gates?).
I see Covid 19 as a Portuguese Man O War - a Zooid - an entity composed of independent entities, which coalesced together into a larger and more complicated thing.
I think what happened was an inevitability of our hubris, just as witch hunts were inevitability when you combine the: printing press, social inequality, religious fervor, and the then novel concept of boredom.
In the case of Covid, the following things happened, independently, but combined into covid 19 hysteria:
- humanity started running out of low hanging fruit to increase mortality, so we started tackling much smaller, but far more complex problems
- scientific pursuits became tied to funding which became tied to perverse incentives which lead us into the replication crisis
- social media allowed stupid ideas which would previously have been smothered out* quickly to connect with other people who shared the same stupid ideas, which allowed them to spread their stupid ideas (it's like they made an "eye" in the game of Go, then increased their liberties to form a second eye)
- We happened to have a president so opposed by our dying media that they would sacrifice any shred of logic, reason, dignity for the meagerest of short term "victories" (there's a whole sub-set to this, I think Taibbi perfectly articulated in "Hate Inc")
That's the environment that this round of SARS was born into.
Had there been PCR test hysteria, Twitter, and an absence of 9/11 in 2003 when the "first" SARS "epidemic" hit, the same scenario could have already played out 20 years ago to George W Bush.
Now factor in:
1) Ralph Baric decides to study Coronaviruses in the 80's and because in science you can't spend 10 years on something and then say "hey that wasn't important after all", he becomes convinced that his niche interest is super important, so starts convincing Public Health to start funding that allows his ideas to spread - specifically that Coronaviruses could someday mutate into global killers (despite the fact they hadn't managed this feat so far in 300 million yeas of their existence)
2) SARS 03, H1N1, ZIKA, MERS prime the public and scientists to think we are special, that we live at some unique moment in history where dangerous new viruses are going to wipe us out any day now and we have to take action.
To a minority, it's obvious that they are merely repeating the mistake of the parable of when n Adam ate from the Tree of Knowledge and became scared of his nakedness, he just happened to finally have the knowledge to be aware of it.
There's no logical reason to believe that SARS 03 was the first time a coronaviruses mutated, infected some people, and burned out. That must be happening all the time. For us to find 500 pneumonia deaths special and not the other annual 3,999,500 is evidence of our arrogant desire to think we are special, that this time we live in, is somehow special.
3) Baric and his acolytes start Gain of Function, likely making Covid 19 in Wuhan labs, which accidentally escaped.
It's possible here that what they made still wasn't that remarkable (thankfully). I'm still uncertain if the resulting excess mortality across the globe was entirely due to the virus having unique capabilities to kill us, or, if we just caused the extra 5%-20% deaths ourselves in our response. I expect to debate that for decades.
4) CCP, not understanding just how dangerous (or not) the virus freaked out first, which cascaded across the globe. The doctored videos, their crazy initial lockdowns, hamfisted approach, was likely all because they were worried what was made was worse than it was. (They made, we made, same difference)
5) Fauci, also not in command of the data of what was going in Wuhan nor how to predict what it could do, also panicked, and that's why we have all the FOIA revealing his duplicity in what he thought vs what he said. Regardless, he acted out of self interest covering his ass, and wound up overreacting.
Intermission - I want to point out, in this "Confederacy of Dunces" I've laid out- none of this is coordinated. There is not planning. It's just idiot response after idiot response to idiotic ideas.
6) Now, the idiots that thought it was a good idea to PCR test the planet when we don't know base rate of mass testing the planet with a PCR test (i.e., had we done 7 billion pcr tests in 1995 might we have found a common coronavirus happened to pass through half the population over the course of a few years?) - these same idiots, are in the limelight. The spotlight is on them, the media has primed the population to look them for answers. We demanded a solution.
7) Hammer always sees a nail. The Ralph Barics that have been trying for 20 years to make a SARS vaccine propose... a SARS vaccine. Nevermind they openly are quoted for decades bemoaning they don't work, that they just make targets more prone to variants (actual quote from Baric) - they announce this time it will work.
8) They make a vaccine, that does exactly what all their failed tests had done for decades - made us temporarily immune to a virus that would simply mutate and infect us that much easier. The whole world watched this unfold.
9) Now, though, the hysteria fades. People have moved on. What's left is a few people like us still interested in understanding what happened, a few people who advocated this nonsense arguing at clouds they were right all along, and the majority of the population that has moved on.
I suspect it must have been similar after Witch Hysteria.
TL;DR - I don't see any high level planning of Covid 19. I see a bunch of self interested group ideas/actions that came together and fed off each other. An algamation of "useful idiots" in an Ouroboros.
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*I think of my mom, in 1985, convinced that people are putting razor blades into Halloween Candy, methodically inspecting each treat after our costumed haul was brought in - had she access to Twitter, how long might that stupid idea have festered?
I will say I loved reading Setty's "balls out" reunion story. Good for him.
As Reid has said, these are reasonable concerns.
1) It is first important to acknowledge that with regard to building 7, NIST created a finite element model that did not behave in the manner in which the building fell. They have proven their own hypothesis incorrect. Furthermore, an independent examination of the model and official WTC7 explanation was undertaken by the University of Alaska, Fairbanks. They duplicated the model and NIST's parameters and their model behaved exactly like NIST's--it didn't fall like what we saw. They took it one step further. The proved that the only way the model would behave like what we saw was if there was a near synchronous and total failure of the central columns followed by the peripheral columns 1-2 seconds later. There is no way a fire could do that. Any structural engineer who would say otherwise is being paid or influenced.
2) There is no question that bringing down these buildings would have required months of planning by demolition experts using highly energetic explosives, especially with the twin towers. Note that the twin towers were demolished from the top down, the weight of the building could not be used to facilitate their destruction as is done with typical building demolitions (like building 7). This was necessary in order to create the illusion that these were gravitational collapses. Reasonable estimates suggest that the energy required to dismember the half million tons of steel and pulverize the concrete in each twin tower was around 1.2 terajoules. This is more than twice the calculated potential energy residing in each standing tower (about 500 Giga joules). So we have an enormous missing source of energy. The official explanation violates another important law: conservation of energy.
A very reasonable question would be, "how could this have been accomplished over the period of months in buildings that were occupied by the public? How could so much explosives be brought into the building?"
The architects and engineers that argue for demolition have a simple answer: "On pallets".
The point here is that if the security of the WTC complex were in on it, it would be quite easy. It is well documented that the elevators of the twin towers underwent an enormous overhaul in the spring and summer of 2001. In order to bring down those towers the central columns must have given way, and, given way before the peripheral ones. The central columns housed the elevator shafts. Close examination of the collapse sequence reveals that indeed the central columns failed first signaled by the fall of the enormous antenna at the top of the North Tower. There is little reason to believe that the central columns would have failed first from a plane collision. The peripheral columns were made of reinforced steel, the plane is no more than a shell of aluminum. This doesn't mean that an aluminum plane cannot destroy steel columns. If the energy of the collision was high enough, the planes would have destroyed the peripheral columns. However, there is NO WAY that any part of the plane would have made it to the central columns, It would have been destroyed on impact too.
So, how could it have been done? Higher ups in the security company (run by Marvin Bush, btw) were part of the conspiracy. They merely gave passes to crack demolition teams who posed as elevator maintenance and told the security guards to honor them. Guards didn't ask questions as "equipment" was brought into the buildings each day over months.
3) I also think it is useful to reconsider what we mean by "the government". What we are talking about here are factions that operate outside of congressional oversight. We cannot be too naive and assume that the annual budget of the military goes only into building aircraft carriers and drones and expensive toilet seats. No doubt these so called black projects are extremely well funded and have been for decades.
4) I don't think the public would have been compelled to support wars in Iraq and Afghanistan without such an event. My opinion only. Such an event was hinted at exactly ten years before by Bush senior as a requirement to establish a "new world order".
5) In the end, however, the intent wasn't just to make trillions for the war mongers. I believe the real intent was to pass the Patriot act. In order to take down a free nation quietly the population must first REQUEST to be surveilled. We know this happened. Those powers were never rescinded for twenty years. People who tried to call this out like Snowden and Assange were, of course, more or less imprisoned.
The next step in establishing quiet control over a nation that believes it is free is to get the population to REQUEST censorship. I speculate that this is what is really behind the Plandemic. Even at this very moment our first amendment is being challenged by our own government in open congressional sessions. The MSM remains uninterested. This is a clear sign that they are in on it. This is why that not a single MSM journalist posed these very reasonable questions 21 years ago.
Taking the liberty to speculate further, I would suggest that the final blow to freedom would be to somehow disarm the populace. It is important to note that for all intents and purposes the kind of munitions held by private citizens are no match for our heavily armed government and their various police forces. Why would private gun ownership be a threat to them? I say it is not about the firepower. It is about the will of the people. A population that THINKS they are empowered are very, very dangerous to forces that are attempting a coup.
Great comment. Lots to think about.
I think our difference is you see what’s happening as planned while I see it as a chaotic confederacy of dunces
I see a lot of your points at a micro level, just not convinced there’s a focused macro level driver
he has become a favorite of mine as well. read this one yesterday. the 'perceptual world' of humanity seems to be very much like the drawing that can look like a young woman or an old woman. with that drawing it is entirely possible for a person to switch perspectives without too much difficulty. things like covid and 9/11 seem too encompassing of world view for most people to switch back and forth. dave
I know the drawing and I agree, David. With Covid for sure. It's not possible to switch back and forth. When people are wrong, they're wrong on 15 major issues, minimum. You can't be against masks and school closures but for lockdowns and a 4% IFR. or any combination like that. That's why the people who changed midstream (which is most people) look horrible. Dr. Wen who was strongly in favor of lockdowns the whole time has started pulling back. Marty Makary thought masks blocked transmission and thought lockdowns helped end the disaster in the northeast, until he didn't. Then he got to testify in front of congress and be on Tucker 5 times. Very well-meaning docs- you know who they are- one of which blocked me on twitter- were wrong at the beginning on many things but changed for various reasons. wrong on the vaccines too, some of them. Boggles the mind.
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