Hoping for a Debate with a CDC Employee

He is an MD and epidemiologist.

The names will be changed to protect the “not so innocent”.

I have a new friend, “Joe” who whose brother works at the CDC. Joe is very intelligent but has no background in medical science or really any science except for computer science and IT. He doesn’t code. He manages people who do some of the most important coding that is done in America.

When we met, and I told him what had really happened during Covid, his first thought was that I was some crazy conspiracy theorist. He softened a little when I told him that, as a surgeon, I couldn’t afford to be wrong, that I wouldn’t be able to live it down and I would be very troubled to know there was a record for all time on the internet that showed me to be spreading misinformation. I therefore made sure I could prove everything I claimed.

As we got to know each other better, through my explanations of the physics of a 100 nm virus, he revealed himself to be a pretty far-Left Narrative devotee who sincere believed Dr. Fauci did great for the American people. With my explanation that the virus contained HIV-1 genomic sequences inserted by man at the spike protein binding sites and therefore was manipulated by man- the so-called Lab Leak Hypothesis (which is false)- AND my additional proof that the virus couldn’t have gotten into the human population through natural zoonotic spillover by deriving a contradiction of first principles, he discovered there was a whole universe of things out there he had not heard about over the last three-and-a-half years.

Not understanding this, Joe then sent my book to his brother, the CDC guy. He wrote back, saying: “. . . It’s a nice summary compilation of conspiracy theories but it’s arguing on the wrong side of truth.  It gets the science wrong right off the bat. For example, there’s lots and lots of evidence that this virus was not created in a lab. You might reasonably argue that it was an accident spill from the lab where they were studying coronaviruses - it wouldn’t be the first time, although bio security has been enhanced a lot since the last time it happened - but to argue that it was created in a lab this is ignoring the evidence.

There are clear markers that are known for viruses that are manufactured and this one just wasn’t. He then starts talking about myocarditis associated with the vaccine, which is true, but totally neglects to mention that infection with Covid also causes myocarditis - and at 10x the rate that the vaccine does. Vaccines have risks but the risks are orders of magnitude smaller than infection with the pathogens they protect against. Many of the risks are so rare, in fact, that they aren’t even detected in the very large trials that are conducted. Trials that literally include tens of thousands of recipients.

The risks are updated as time goes on. That was the case with myocarditis and with the clotting caused by astrozenneca’s vaccine (would note here that abnormal  clotting is the primary cause of death in a very high proportion of the deaths caused by Covid in adults, and nearly all of the deaths caused by Covid in children. Would also note that children are not getting that side effect from the vaccine). He bashes mask use - he was probably someone who previously bashed the CDC for not recommending masks in the beginning. The truth is that we learned a lot about the virus and the vaccines as time went on.

Nobody expected it to be airborne, for example. Why? Because before this, there were only 3 pathogens known to be airborne: TB, chickenpox, and measles. Most pathogens that infect the respiratory tract are spread by droplets. Droplets only travel about 3 feet when expelled. Enforcing the 6 feet distance includes a safety buffer. This has been standard practice in hospitals for many  decades. We do it for diseases as serious as meningococcal meningitis. Masks do work. There are data. There’s one flawed and limited recent study that says differently and the findings have been twisted, exaggerated, and extrapolated in ways that don’t make sense. What the surgical masks are for, though, is source control. They catch your droplets and respiratory secretions that may be carrying virus before they can get to someone else. They aren’t for protecting the wearer - and they aren’t perfect but they do decrease risk of spread, just like sneezing into your elbow and washing your hands. N-95s, on the other hand, will protect the wearer. That’s indisputable and to say otherwise is just a show of ignorance.”

He is a 100% Narrative guy, just like Joe and and as an MD and epidemiologist, that’s a very scary thing,.

So I corrected him with Data in this way:

“Joe: Do you want me to bring up the evidence that proves him wrong? I guess I will as he didn't present any evidence.

He also said this: "he was probably someone who previously bashed the CDC for not recommending masks in the beginning". 

That's attributing something to someone when you have negative evidence (evidence that the opposite is true). That's worse than advancing a conspiracy theory.

1) Masks: (Note: Tom Jefferson is the lead investigator of the Cochrane Review) "Smerconish then asked Dr Fauci about a study published by the Cochrane Library earlier this year, which raised questions about the efficacy of masks. He directed Dr Fauci’s attention to an opinion piece published by The New York Times in response to the review, titled “The Mask Mandates Did Nothing. Will Any Lessons Be Learned?”

The piece quotes lead study author Tom Jefferson, an Oxford epidemiologist, as saying: “There is just no evidence that [masks] make any difference. Full stop.” He went on to say that mask mandates imposed early in the pandemic were influenced by “nonrandomized studies, flawed observational studies.” (Randomised control trials are thought by many to be the gold standard for medical research.) In the study conclusion, the authors wrote that “the pooled results of [randomised control trials] did not show a clear reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks”.

Did you catch that? He said "there is just no evidence that masks make any difference" "Full Stop". In another interview, Jefferson said it didn't matter which kind of mask- cloth, surgical, or N95. None of them made a difference. Full Stop.

North Dakota and South Dakota are almost identical except that ND had mask mandates (and lockdowns) while SD didn't.

Also, as with lockdowns, masks did not reduce cases vs time or deaths vs time for any country at any time.

The virus particles are 100 nanometers in Diameter . Thus, they are 20 times smaller than the white dot and 700 times smaller by diameter than a human hair (the holes in cloth masks are bigger than a human hair. Plus, there is a 2 inch hole on the sides of surgical  masks.

Note that the debate is about mask use in the community. We're not talking about a group of doctors wearing N95 masks in the hospital setting.

Finally, regarding masks, he said, "What the surgical masks are for, though, is source control. They catch your droplets and respiratory secretions that may be carrying virus before they can get to someone else. They aren’t for protecting the wearer ."

He's wrong here, too. Surgical masks act as splash guards. They ARE for protecting the wearer They protect the surgeon from blood and other body fluids, grossly. They would also reduce the transmission of water droplets expelled by wet coughing, sneezing, spitting, etc from the bearer BUT. that is a negligible way Covid is transmitted. It is transmitted by aerosols. The CDC finally came around on that one too.

2) Natural Zoonotic Spillover vs created in a lab.

What is the evidence that this virus was not created in a lab? He isn't presenting any evidence. I presented four major pieces (and I have much more): the 19 base pair sequence patented by Moderna in 2017, The Furin Cleavage site with two CGG sequences that are the rarest codons for arginine among coronaviruses (3%) and in SARS-2 (5%) (I may have the 3 and 5 backwards) but are the most commonly used by labs when synthesizing proteins, ORF-8 and 3 HIV-1sequences at the binding sites of the spike protein. I have more if it comes to that.

See the two Rs in the SARS-2 row? Those used the one codon of six possibilities that is most commonly used in lab synthesis and least common in coronaviruses in nature. Remember, there are 64 possible codons and only 20 amino acids.

3) Myocarditis: He wrote: "Covid also causes myocarditis - and at 10x the rate that the vaccine does".

Look at the actual Data. It shows the second dose of Moderna caused way more myocarditis than Covid (positive SARS-2 in the graph at far right).

If 10x more Myocarditis was caused by the virus, why didn't we see lots in 2020? when the vaccines came out, myo and pericarditis began to be noticed.

4) by Aerosols vs by water droplets

He wrote: "Nobody expected it to be airborne, for example." (I think he means aerosols here, not airborne. Water droplets are also airborne.)

All I can say here is speak for yourself. I thought it was spread by aerosols from the beginning. Influenza is spread by water droplets. TB by aerosols. Flu has a wet cough. Covid and TB a dry cough. It only stands to reason that Covid would be spread by aerosols.  When he says "Nobody" he means nobody at the CDC but they had multiple errors in their narrative, such as the IFR being 34x too high until I set them straight  (which they finally acknowledged in Sept of 2020.) The CDC also told everyone to wipe down surfaces which was wrong as well. 

5) Does he realize meningococcal Meningitis is caused by a bacterium (Neisseria meningitides), not a virus ? Criteria used for bacteria cannot be applied to viruses

6)That pretty much covers it. The rest is just an ad hominem attack as in "That’s indisputable and to say otherwise is just a show of ignorance."

So there you have it so far. That was 3 days ago. I haven’t heard back yet. I’m trying to get Joe to convince him to debate me, anonymously if necessary. I will let you know. If he does agree, it will be a first.